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Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.13 12:26:00 - [1] ..To the snarky ass hats from EBANK: Were you guys snarky ass hats before being Internet space bucks moguls? If so, then proceed. If not then I would advise that you just stop this whole EBANK nightmare. Passing out space bucks back to the dumb investors is not worth it if it is making you act and turn into such pompous jackasses. Try doing something fun. Space bucks come and go but the effects of stress and ulcers will last a lifetime.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.13 13:52:00 - [2] Originally by: Atima stuff ..I'm all for brutal honesty also. It's just the "lol I has ur isk and u mite git it u mite not" asshattery for the sake of epeen fapping asshattery that bugs me. Doesn't bug me to the point where I'm not enjoying eating my second bowl of Life cereal and perusing the forums tho.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.13 15:14:00 - [3] Originally by: Atima Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: Atima Edit : It's not the use of obscure vocabulary, its the unneeded use of it. Probably a bit subtle but that is a little of what I was doing. =) Especially at the end. You got me =( ..A successful intelligent pseudo troll! Grats! On a serious note, if I could do it over again I would double major in some kind of linguistics and philosophy. Perhaps a masters in linguistics but no less then a phd in philosophy. To hell with bringing home the bacon!
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.13 15:27:00 - [4] Edited by: Syds Sinclair on 13/04/2011 15:35:23 Quote: Emo whine from Armarr Citizen ..Before I can psycho analyse you I'm going to need your full API key. Please try to not cut yourself in the mean time. Edit On a serious note, congratulations on your RL achievement. And if you using the dumb saps who invested with EBANK as whipping boys is what got you through your scholastic grind, then no harm no foul. Except that you're an asshat. What's your degrees in? Fake Edit Last time Shar I promise! Next time I'll take it to EveGate!
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.13 17:07:00 - [5] Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: Mephistocles Congratulations on the masters. Hopefully you'll stick around. We need more educated, non-redneck types to off set the mouth breathers. Logic Fail! Just because he's hooded doesn't change his basic nature. ..I tend to lump anyone who is not from my formal or informal school of thought into the mouth breather category.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.13 17:30:00 - [6] Edited by: Syds Sinclair on 13/04/2011 17:31:39 ..Unreasonable? Why, that's Ray's middle name! Yep, good ole' Ray "Unreasonable" McCormack. Bein' snarky. Demanding full APIs. Stealin' space bucks.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.13 19:54:00 - [7] Edited by: Syds Sinclair on 13/04/2011 19:56:10 Originally by: Ray McCormack Justification is a useless currency in EVE, you either have the ability to enforce and exact, or you don't. Might is right. Your pathetic ethical analogies are the last desperate bastion of defence for those too pathetic to protect themselves. Welcome to impotency, population you. ..ITT: Cause WE GOT TEH ISK LOLOLOL (ad infinitum) and you don't, so suck it losers! We're from the Muammar Gaddafi school of thought! I will rule you or I will KILL YOU! And by KILL YOU I mean keep your isk, because actually killing you would be rather uncouth, don't you think? Plus all of that United Nations and being charged with crimes against humanity foolishness. Who has the time? We have a dictatorship err, I mean internet spaceship bank with spacebucks to run! And by run I mean embezzle and demand full API keys. And by demand full API keys I mean profiting off of our intimate knowledge of your spaceship cowboy antics. And by intimate spaceship cowboys I mean fap.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.13 20:34:00 - [8] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 ..every member in KIA benefited directly or indirectly from the theft, and some more than others. We have no way of really knowing if they were or were not directly involved or if they are actually alts of the individuals that knowingly and intentionally defaulted. ..I'm sure you have looked into exactly how many KIA invested into EBANK em i rite? Because if it is just this lone dumb poor sap who gave RP SPACEBUX MOGULS his isk as an investment, surely the odds that there was malice in this individuals heart regarding the KIA scam are very slim, indicating that his poorly thought out investment should be repaid in full. Or is it just because you have the spacebucks, and so, are kings amongst Fedo. If that is the case, then I sure hope that enacting your will against opposition because of your might is worth being, as I like to call it, an asshat.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.13 20:38:00 - [9] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Originally by: Syds Sinclair Edited by: Syds Sinclair on 13/04/2011 19:56:10 Originally by: Ray McCormack Lol I hav ur spacebux. ..Post of epic proportions. Most of your arguments are so 2009. Get with the times. ..The arguments that you guys spun and deflected in 2009 are still applicable today.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.13 23:37:00 - [10] ..So Ray and Co. Can scam, ridicule, and confiscate ISK and your all for it. But Kwint? Aw he's being childish and scamming. Gotcha.

Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.13 23:59:00 - [11] Originally by: Khanid Voltar Edited by: Khanid Voltar on 13/04/2011 23:49:32 I think the difference was that EBANK was a (failing) bank, and therefore felt it was able to re-write contractual obligations with impunity without fear of consequences. And unfortunately (for EBANK) Kwint wouldn't stand for it and used the leverage at his disposal to force the point. KV edit - clarity ..Like any red blooded hamburger eatin American would do! Kwint, I salute you.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.14 00:29:00 - [12] Originally by: SencneS WARNING I enjoyed posted this and use creative writing to enhance my to match your opinion clearly evident in your post.. ..Yes I must say very creative. /Yawn. Originally by: SencneS ..Beside, Syds, you're post history has been evidence of your complete contempt for EBANK and everything it represents,.. Yes true. I do have complete contemp for EBANK and everything it represents. Including but not limited to demanding full API, asshattery from EBANK reps, and incompetent EBANK admins. Originally by: SencneS ..you on the other hand have kept the same unwavering opinion with all certainty that you can never be wrong and justified in posting the way you do. Umm..thank you? Yes my opinion is unwavering. Isn't that a good thing? It in fact is if the opposition does not present valid arguments to the magnitude of wavering my opinion. Yes I think until you folk justify yourself, I'll keep my opinion. Thank you. Originally by: SencneS I've hope you've all enjoyed this post brought to you by the mind of someone who enjoys word-smithing replied to trolls.. Exquisite word-smithing. And by Exquisite word-smithing, I mean absolute self serving blather.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.14 00:37:00 - [13] Quote: EBANK has only ever zeroed out accounts for the following reasons 1) They scammed or defaulted on a debt. 2) They where Riddic 3) The customer requested it. 4) They are unable to prove that they are not 1 or 2. ..4) Investees are in KIA alliance. Reply with spin incoming.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.14 00:42:00 - [14] ..Wait guise, maybe if Kwint had just "Frozen" EBANK's assets and asked for their full API's this whole matter could have been resolved. EM I RITE SCENES??
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.14 01:59:00 - [15] ..I said EM I RITE SCENES? Or is this one of those times when your frail attempt to save face, and the face or your lackeys/lackors, is confronted with that pesky little deamon called logic and/or reason? Is this one of those instances where you just ignore the logic and/or reason and then continue posting on the forums like nothing ever happened? He that cannot reason is a fool. He that will not is a bigot. He that dare not is a slave. ~Andrew Carnegie
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.14 03:24:00 - [16] ..Just a few musings before I go to bed. So you will surrender your API. Great. One down, 5 to go? And as I recall, Ray has stated in a post that he won't be giving out his API. So close, but ohh. Sucks that you are subject with the company you keep. As for being proud that you have nothing to lose. Um yeah. Neither do I. Being completely honest with what I think is real and not spinning a discussion with what I want to be real is the kicker. And better yet, if sufficient evidence is presented to the magnitude to change my opinion, no harm no foul. Because I am not emotionally attached to the opinion I've formed via logic and reason. Unlike your undying devotion to trying to uphold EBANK and it's denizens to the top of morality and ethics. To close on this, maybe you have nothing to ,ose because you have already turned yourself out and pumped whatever self respect you had by feebly trying to be the White Knight for a dying ship and crew. And as for quoting a scammer calling the party in question (Kwint) a scammer, well that surely is enough proof for us dumb folk now isn't it? Now on to how I can put my money where my opinion is. Yes, me paying the 5 bil to EBANK surley shows that I think Kwint was right in not payi g the 5 bil to EBANK. Right? Umm right?
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.14 11:42:00 - [17] ..So SencneS let me get this right. You admit that both EBANK and Kwint were in the wrong, but Kwint was in the wrong moreso then EBANK. So, for Kwint's wrongness, he is a scammer. By your own words, EBANK is a scammer, just a kettle bit less then Kwint. EMIRITE? You heard it here folks, EBANK Amin admits that EBANK are scammers, just not as much as Kwint.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.14 21:10:00 - [18] Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: Syds Sinclair You heard it here folks, EBANK Amin admits that EBANK are scammers, just not as much as Kwint. You just won Eve forums, you may proceed to the winners circle and continue jerking off. All biases aside, seriously mate, this bit of word play here is cheap and far beneath what I've come to expect from you. My relevance in these matters, and to most people, is small but I just thought I'd tell you that you've lost my respect with this statement. ..In my defence, I had about 10 minutes to read SencneS post and post myself before I had to take my daughter to school and me off to work. And not so in my defence, I find the hyperbole funny. Also, I think that it shines a light on the whole attitude that every breach in contract by EBANK is for the good of the dumb whiney investors who are unreasonably asking questions. But a breach of contract by a mere peon? Smeone who is not a board member of EBANK? SCAMMER! This point is illustrated a few posts down by SencneS while he clearly states, no word play, that EBANK and Kwint's actions are on equal ground. What separates them is what EBANK is going to do. For the past 2+ years and into the unknown future. All while Ray "Unreasonable/Pinpin' dem Hoes'/Two ******ed" McCormack and Co. Is flouting their "might is right" antics. But mostly the hyperbole. Because I think that Internet spacebux mogul RPers are funny. In all honesty I know that my feeble post do noting for the EBANK board or the slighted investors. Just a fun thought experience and opportunity to channel the debater in me.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.14 22:07:00 - [19] Originally by: SencneS The key to the argument here is, EBANK will NEVER see that ISK from KWINT... ..But what if Kwint had just froze the ISK? Originally by: SencneS EBANK customers WILL get the ISK EBANK was able to recover. [Citation needed]. Except if you are now or ever been or will be in the future a member of KIA. Originally by: SencneS I agree, at this very point in time EBANK is no better then KWINT, See Shar? No word play! Originally by: SencneS Just be aware the conditions of your opinion are going to change, are you going to change or still blissfully and with full ignorance maintain the same opinion? Fellas fellas, it's going to get better. You'll get your ISK. Just be patient. I mean common, it's only been three years.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.14 22:21:00 - [20] Originally by: SencneS Originally by: Syds Sinclair This point is illustrated a few posts down by SencneS while he clearly states, no word play, that EBANK and Kwint's actions are on equal ground. Can you twist that a little more please.. WOW that's really pulling that out of context.. How disappointing.. ..Don't try to ride Shar's coat tails by implying that my content doesn't meet your expectations. I've been not meeting peoples expectations for years now! So how about this little gem? Quote: I agree, at this very point in time EBANK is no better then KWINT, Let me be honest, I have no desire nor gain any satisfaction by spinning or twisting others posts. I honestly try to take the connotations and inflictions of peoples posts into full consideration. If I quote something out of context, you or anyone, please enlighten me and if your argument suffices me then I will happily take it back, evaluate, and re comment.

Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.14 22:40:00 - [21] ..To Rafia and anyone else who still cares. It's clear to me that SencneS nothing more then a shill, a cheerleader, and a herald for EBANK and especially Ray. To SencneS. This nightmare could have all been avoided is EBANK and Co. Had just takin the approach of liquidation > paying a % to all investors instead of trying to keep the bank running,and I might add collecting a tidy salary for the board. I think everyone knows who and what your plans were to take care of first.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.14 23:34:00 - [22] Originally by: Krythas I'm just surprised that kwint can withhold 3bn and the world is collapsing for investors yet AC can donate 24bn on behalf of the 1300 ebank account holders to Japan for good and no one blinks. ..You see, that is precisely because Kwint isn't infallible like EBANK. And because he didn't freeze that 3bil.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.14 23:44:00 - [23] Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: SencneS I agree, at this very point in time EBANK is no better then KWINT, Originally by: Syds Sinclair See Shar? No word play! Indeed not. (Cheeky bugger.) ..To reference a previous thread in which you called someone cheeky, I did just finish a cheeky six pack of pale ale. On a side note, Shar, be expecting an Evemail from me when I get to my PC. Evegate and iPads don't seem to play nice with each other.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.14 23:57:00 - [24] ..So what you're saying is, if you look at only specific instances, and under a microscope, you can infer just about anything! Quick! Someone get President Obama on the phone and tell him! Plus maybe you should consider the reasoning behind Kwint's actions was in part to the way EBANK and Co. were handling the totality of the situation. So you can't view his actions just from under the EBANK >> Kwint relations.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.15 00:09:00 - [25] ..Maybe from a PR perspective, if EBANK and Co. care about that sort of thing (lolrite?!), you shouldn't post any more about EBANK's public policies and reasoning behind their actions. You seem to make numerous gaffes and end up having to appologise and make corrections. Notice how many corrections of my posts I've EVER had to make. None. And that comes precisely from me working from a sound and solid philosophical plantform and not from an emotional reactive platform. What I say I mean and my intentions are to convey my thoughts. Not to pacify the public and justify arbitrary actions. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy pointing our your illogical statements. So keep em' comin'!
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.15 00:13:00 - [26] Originally by: Hexxx Originally by: Syds Sinclair ..So what you're saying is, if you look at only specific instances, and under a microscope, you can infer just about anything! Quick! Someone get President Obama on the phone and tell him! Plus maybe you should consider the reasoning behind Kwint's actions was in part to the way EBANK and Co. were handling the totality of the situation. So you can't view his actions just from under the EBANK >> Kwint relations. Anyone can justify everything using anything. Congrats. .."So give me your full APIs, insure your ships with my company, and just be happy that a board of elites take the time to interact with your pathetic existience! You'll get your isk with NO interest and you'll be happy about it! And for God's sake stop asking those pesky questions!"
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.18 01:03:00 - [27] ..I've taken some time to consider this discussion and the people involved. I also received some expert advice and perspective from a great source. SencneS, you and I are campaigning from platforms that are light years apart. Like the Hatfields and Mccoys, only with less moonshine and more Quafe. Because of our divided stations and positions in this matter, (BoD / investors, outsiders), this debate might be able to come to an equilibrium, but will never be on the same page. An impasse has been reached, and then beat with a dead cat. You believe that the choices that were made and the actions that have and are taking place are the correct ones. Thus being taken thru the wringer while toiling away at tedious and unrewarding efforts in the name of doing what you think is right must be a nightmare. That being said, let me express a few musings that I have yet to. My posts weren't designed with the intentions of attacking you personally, they were aimed at "EBANK past, present, future, and the BoD." I just happened to take advantage of, and for granted that, you, SencneS, not Ray, not Ric, not AC or any one else are the individual who has willingly stepped out into the firing range, fielded the assault, and tried to provide insight from your side of the street. That aspect is commendable. This is illustrated perfectly in post # 559 where you offered an introspected analysis of a contentious topic. I've been struggling with whether or not I should include my main points of contention with EBANK which, I think, are at worst viable and at best paramount to the resentment directed twords the BoD. A few actions that, to me, are the catalysts. Furthermore, to have a clearer and more concise group of topics to debate from, and also to show that my intentions are not to troll or take posts out of context. I've decided not to post them here. If it interests you to know, I can provide them to you via Evemail. In closing, I hope no hard feelings were derived from this debate.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.21 02:55:00 - [28] Originally by: Brock Nelson Guess you can't be bothered to click on page 20 and read AC's latest post regarding shares. ..I know! Stupid shareholders. You need to jump through much more hoops to get your ISK. Until then, EBANK will donate your ISK to VV and pocket the rest.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.04.25 01:06:00 - [29] Originally by: Ray McCormack I went to the supermarket yesterday and ended up paying cash after my card wouldn't go through because my bank was offline. However I noticed this morning on online banking that the charge had gone through. So I returned to said supermarket only to be told I had to wait 24 hours and then provide my bank statement as proof that the charge hadn't been reversed. Now who do these bastards think they are making me jump through hoops to get my own money back? ..Ah, ok. Anecdotes that vaguely resemble what your doing make the whole EBANK fiasco all better. But why stop with the analogys and similarities of Internet spaceship banking and Grocery stores ? Maybe for your next offer you should emulate ENRON.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.05.24 01:13:00 - [30] Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Cerrydwin Thanks for sticking through what must have been a brutal grind. It doesn't take 2 years to sell assets and distribute ISK to depositors. Unless of course you want depositors to jump through hoops that include giving away full API keys, DNA samples, and the names of each pet you have Seriously, create shares to distribute to depositors, sell assets, issue dividends. EBANK made it a hundred times more difficult than it needed to be in the guise of "we don't want to pay back people who scammed us". ..You and I have disagreed in the past. But on this topic, we see eye to eye.

Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.05.24 01:15:00 - [31] Originally by: Elise DarkStar you're an idiot it took two years because they still wanted to play imaginary spaceships banker with what was left of other people's money despite the obvious conceptual failure of banking in eve "they didn't end up just stealing the rest" is the highest praise anyone can make, besides that it is all incompetence, negligence, and self-delusion never forget how it really went down ..And another who speaks exactly how I think.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.05.24 01:20:00 - [32] Edited by: Syds Sinclair on 24/05/2011 01:22:13 Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 I don't think its fair to categorize the situation as JUST "incompetence, negligence, and self-delusion". It's also "you're not as important as my RL so I'm going to take my own sweet time dealing with this because its just a game and it doesn't pay the bills. kthnx" I would also add in "there was a tremendous web of information that had to be sorted but due to the fact that RL stuffz takes precedence over superimp0rtant3v3stuffz, it took longer than it might if other individuals that had more time to devote to it were in charge." Thanks for the fresh perspective though, we always appreciate hearing from our listeners. /finger ..What a fresh perspective from a company man! Along with riding the RL > Eve excuse train into forgiveness. RL doesn't come close to being a good excuse for taking so long. And RL really doesn't come close to justifying EBANK's extremely poor treatment directed to investors.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.05.24 02:01:00 - [33] ..Great. Case closed. As long as we're in agreement that you and your cohorts dropped the ball, are incompetent, and should never be trusted with public ISK again.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.05.24 02:22:00 - [34] ..My points stand even tho I will forfeit that you did not lose public ISK. Except that charitable donation EBANK's investors made to VV's pled drive.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.05.24 02:32:00 - [35] Originally by: Syds Sinclair ..My points stand even tho I will forfeit that you did not lose public ISK. Except that charitable donation EBANK's investors made to VV's pled drive.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.05.24 03:35:00 - [36] ..^^ Go be wall streets PR rep.

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